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Poster: snori Date: Apr 7, 2013 7:09am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pigpen

It is unfair to judge music. lyrics, and behaviour by today's standards. (And some of the songs Pig sang were prety old) Do you think 'Good morning little schoolgirl' would get airtimme today ?

I like some Doors songs (LA Woman springs to mind)others don't do anything for me at all, though it might have been interesting to see an early live show.

Here's Jerry's opinion -

Jerry Garcia: I never liked The Doors. I found them terribly offensive... when we played with them. It was back when (Jim) Morrison was just a Mick Jagger copy. That was his whole shot, that he was a Mick Jagger imitation. Not vocally, but his moves, his whole physical appearence, were totally stolen from right around Mick Jagger's 1965 tour of the States. He used to move around a lot, before he started to earn his reputation as a poet, which I thought was not really deserved. Rimbaud was great at eighteen, nineteen, and Verlaine. Those guys were great. Fuckin' Jim Morrison wasn't great. I'm sorry.

I could never see what it was about The Doors. They had a very brittle sound live, a three-piece band with no bass-the organ player (Ray Manzarek) used to do it. That and that kinda raga-rock guitar style was strange. It sounded very brittle and sharp-edged to me, not something I enjoyed listening to.

I kind of appreciated some of the stuff that they did later, and I appreciated a certain amount of Morrison's sheer craziness, just because that's always a nice trait in rock and roll. No, I never knew him, but Richard Loren, who works for us, was his agent and had to babysit him through his most drunken scenes and all the times he got busted and all that crap. He's got lots of stories to tell about Morrison.

I was never attracted to their music at all, so I couldn't really find anything to like about them. When we played with them, I think I watched the first tune or two, then I went upstairs and fooled with my guitar. There was nothing there that I wanted to know about. He was so patently an imitation of Mick Jagger that it was offensive. To me, when The Doors played in San Francisco they typified Los Angeles coming to San Francisco, which I equated with having the look right, but zero substance. This is way before their hit song "Light My Fire." Probably at the time in their development it was too early for anybody to make a decent judgement of them, but I've always looked for something else in music, and whatever it was they didn't have it. They didn't have anything of blues, for example, in their sound and feel.

Jackson: Did you sense the negativity?

Garcia: No, not really. All I sensed was sham. As far as I was concerned, it was just surface and no substance. Then we opened for them in Santa Barbara some years later, when they were a little more powerful. Their sound had gotten better-they'd gotten more effectively amplified, so Manzarek's bass lines and stuff like that had a little more throb, but their sound was still thin. It wasn't a successful version of a three-piece band, like The Who or Jimi Hendrix or Cream, or any of the other guitar power-trio-type three piece bands. It's an interesting concept-a three-piece band that's keyboard, guitar and drums-but it was missing some element that I felt was vital. I couldn't say exactly what it was, but it was not satisfying for me to listen to them.


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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Apr 7, 2013 8:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pigpen

Well the Pigpen stuff was 1969 not 1951 so I will feel free to judge his behavior as unacceptable.I understand that over years what is acceptable in all art forms change.Interesting Garcia quotes I have never seen the first and last paragraphs.